It cannot be true. Yes, truly. I am not very likely to persuade other men that I do not regard my present situation as a misfortune, if I cannot even persuade you that I am no worse off now than at any other time in my life. Yes, Socrates, he said; the conclusion seems to flow necessarily out of our previous admissions. Yes, he said. Any power which in arranging them as they are arranges them for the best never enters into their minds; and instead of finding any superior strength in it, they rather expect to discover another Atlas of the world who is stronger and more everlasting and more containing than the good;—of the obligatory and containing power of the good they think nothing; and yet this is the principle which I would fain learn if any one would teach me. And what is that process? Very true. And they are generated one from the other? And whence did we obtain our knowledge? Of that upper earth which is under the heaven, I can tell you a charming tale, Simmias, which is well worth hearing. And is the soul seen or not seen? He might be compared to a general rallying his defeated and broken army, urging them to accompany him and return to the field of argument. And that is what I mean by saying that, in a sense, they are made temperate through intemperance. When he had done speaking, Crito said: And have you any commands for us, Socrates—anything to say about your children, or any other matter in which we can serve you? And return to life, if there be such a thing, is the birth of the dead into the world of the living? Then I heard some one reading, as he said, from a book of Anaxagoras, that mind was the disposer and cause of all, and I was delighted at this notion, which appeared quite admirable, and I said to myself: If mind is the disposer, mind will dispose all for the best, and put each particular in the best place; and I argued that if any one desired to find out the cause of the generation or destruction or existence of anything, he must find out what state of being or doing or suffering was best for that thing, and therefore a man had only to consider the best for himself and others, and then he would also know the worse, since the same science comprehended both. This appears to me to be the safest answer which I can give, either to myself or to another, and to this I cling, in the persuasion that this principle will never be overthrown, and that to myself or to any one who asks the question, I may safely reply, That by beauty beautiful things become beautiful. She is held fast by the corporeal, which the continual association and constant care of the body have wrought into her nature. No. The fourth river goes out on the opposite side, and falls first of all into a wild and savage region, which is all of a dark-blue colour, like lapis lazuli; and this is that river which is called the Stygian river, and falls into and forms the Lake Styx, and after falling into the lake and receiving strange powers in the waters, passes under the earth, winding round in the opposite direction, and comes near the Acherusian lake from the opposite side to Pyriphlegethon. Yes, I said, I have. Then three has no part in the even? Yes, I said, but Heracles himself is said not to be a match for two. Well, then, he said, my conviction is, that the earth is a round body in the centre of the heavens, and therefore has no need of air or any similar force to be a support, but is kept there and hindered from falling or inclining any way by the equability of the surrounding heaven and by her own equipoise. Such are those thick and gloomy shadows damp I do. But did you ever behold any of them with your eyes? I should very much like, said Cebes, to hear what you have to say. Climax: Having successfully argued for the immortality of the soul, Socrates drinks poison hemlock as his friends and fellow philosophers weep at his side. said Cebes. Book Excerpt. Such is the nature of the whole earth, and of the things which are around the earth; and there are divers regions in the hollows on the face of the globe everywhere, some of them deeper and more extended than that which we inhabit, others deeper but with a narrower opening than ours, and some are shallower and also wider. 1. Echecrates: Were you there in prison yourself, Phaedo, on the day when Socrates drank the poison or did you hear of it from someone else? And here let me recapitulate—for there is no harm in repetition. Plato: The Phaedo of Plato, (London, Macmillan and co., 1883), also by R. D. Archer-Hind (page images at HathiTrust; US access only) Plato: The Phaedo of Plato / (London : Macmillan, 1904), also by Harold Williamson (page images at HathiTrust; US access only) Plato: Phaedo; or, …          Oft seen in charnel vaults and sepulchres, It claims to recount the events and conversations that occurred on the day that Plato’s teacher, Socrates (469-399 B.C.E. Yet I too believe that the gods are our guardians, and that we are a possession of theirs. And hitherto I had imagined that this was only intended to exhort and encourage me in the study of philosophy, which has been the pursuit of my life, and is the noblest and best of music. (Compare Milton, Comus:— For there are pleasures which they are afraid of losing; and in their desire to keep them, they abstain from some pleasures, because they are overcome by others; and although to be conquered by pleasure is called by men intemperance, to them the conquest of pleasure consists in being conquered by pleasure. Quite so, he replied. True, he said. Here he changed his position, and put his legs off the couch on to the ground, and during the rest of the conversation he remained sitting. No. Then, if all souls are equally by their nature souls, all souls of all living creatures will be equally good? Cebes said: You may proceed at once with the proof, for I grant you this. ECHECRATES: Socrates said: Let the voice of the charmer be applied daily until you have charmed away the fear. Of course. What is generated from the living? for there is force in his attack upon me. And in this fair region everything that grows—trees, and flowers, and fruits—are in a like degree fairer than any here; and there are hills, having stones in them in a like degree smoother, and more transparent, and fairer in colour than our highly-valued emeralds and sardonyxes and jaspers, and other gems, which are but minute fragments of them: for there all the stones are like our precious stones, and fairer still (compare Republic). But because they are sacred to Apollo, they have the gift of prophecy, and anticipate the good things of another world, wherefore they sing and rejoice in that day more than they ever did before. Or do or suffer anything other than they do or suffer? Now this custom still continues, and the whole period of the voyage to and from Delos, beginning when the priest of Apollo crowns the stern of the ship, is a holy season, during which the city is not allowed to be polluted by public executions; and when the vessel is detained by contrary winds, the time spent in going and returning is very considerable. Most assuredly. Just so, he replied. Unseen then? Socrates, Apollodorus, Simmias, Cebes, Crito and an Attendant of the Prison. In this present life, I reckon that we make the nearest approach to knowledge when we have the least possible intercourse or communion with the body, and are not surfeited with the bodily nature, but keep ourselves pure until the hour when God himself is pleased to release us. as I have certainly heard Philolaus, about whom you were just now asking, affirm when he was staying with us at Thebes: and there are others who say the same, although I have never understood what was meant by any of them. And is it likely that the soul, which is invisible, in passing to the place of the true Hades, which like her is invisible, and pure, and noble, and on her way to the good and wise God, whither, if God will, my soul is also soon to go,—that the soul, I repeat, if this be her nature and origin, will be blown away and destroyed immediately on quitting the body, as the many say? Of course. Of course. For example; Will not the number three endure annihilation or anything sooner than be converted into an even number, while remaining three? And which does the soul resemble? Then the soul is immortal? Let us then, in the first place, he said, be careful of allowing or of admitting into our souls the notion that there is no health or soundness in any arguments at all. And do we know the nature of this absolute essence? And in all these cases, the recollection may be derived from things either like or unlike? But if, after having acquired, we have not forgotten what in each case we acquired, then we must always have come into life having knowledge, and shall always continue to know as long as life lasts—for knowing is the acquiring and retaining knowledge and not forgetting. Can this, my dear Cebes, be denied? Then the living, whether things or persons, Cebes, are generated from the dead? Are there not other things which have their own name, and yet are called odd, because, although not the same as oddness, they are never without oddness?—that is what I mean to ask—whether numbers such as the number three are not of the class of odd. Nationality: Ancient Greece Ex. There ought, replied Simmias. However, Phaedo managed to slip out to listen to Socrates, who eventually persuaded either Cebes or Alcibiades or Crito and their friends to ransom him so that he could be free and study philosophy. For that which, being in equipoise, is in the centre of that which is equably diffused, will not incline any way in any degree, but will always remain in the same state and not deviate. There was no answer to this question; but in a minute or two a movement was heard, and the attendants uncovered him; his eyes were set, and Crito closed his eyes and mouth. Why, said Socrates,—is not Evenus a philosopher? Plato wrote approximately thirty dialogues. No. Cebes said that he had been wonderfully impressed by that part of the argument, and that his conviction remained absolutely unshaken. This is that Pyriphlegethon, as the stream is called, which throws up jets of fire in different parts of the earth. For if the soul exists before birth, and in coming to life and being born can be born only from death and dying, must she not after death continue to exist, since she has to be born again?—Surely the proof which you desire has been already furnished. The state of sleep is opposed to the state of waking, and out of sleeping waking is generated, and out of waking, sleeping; and the process of generation is in the one case falling asleep, and in the other waking up. The soul, he replied. Phaedo: I was there in person, Echecrates. Quite true. An accident, Echecrates: the stern of the ship which the Athenians send to Delos happened to have been crowned on the day before he was tried. And Socrates observing them asked what they thought of the argument, and whether there was anything wanting? There we used to wait talking with one another until the opening of the doors (for they were not opened very early); then we went in and generally passed the day with Socrates. It is told by Phaedo himself, a friend of Socrates who encounters Echecrates —a fellow philosopher—after having watched Socrates drink poison hemlock. In the course of my life I have often had intimations in dreams ‘that I should compose music.’ The same dream came to me sometimes in one form, and sometimes in another, but always saying the same or nearly the same words: ‘Cultivate and make music,’ said the dream. and when the body is hungry, against eating? And yet, he said, the number two is certainly not opposed to the number three? The book has been awarded with , and many others. And that which is not more or less a harmony is not more or less harmonized? Selections from The Phaedo by Plato [The Phaedo tells the story of Socrates’ final moments spent, as one would expect, in philosophical dialogue with his friends. Very true. If death had only been the end of all, the wicked would have had a good bargain in dying, for they would have been happily quit not only of their body, but of their own evil together with their souls. and from the picture of Simmias, you may be led to remember Cebes? I think, said Simmias, that Cebes is satisfied: although he is the most incredulous of mortals, yet I believe that he is sufficiently convinced of the existence of the soul before birth. And then he proceeds to ask of some one who is incredulous, whether a man lasts longer, or the coat which is in use and wear; and when he is answered that a man lasts far longer, thinks that he has thus certainly demonstrated the survival of the man, who is the more lasting, because the less lasting remains. said Simmias. Certainly. No; there were several of them with him. The Text which has been mostly followed in this Translation of Plato is the latest 8vo. But men, because they are themselves afraid of death, slanderously affirm of the swans that they sing a lament at the last, not considering that no bird sings when cold, or hungry, or in pain, not even the nightingale, nor the swallow, nor yet the hoopoe; which are said indeed to tune a lay of sorrow, although I do not believe this to be true of them any more than of the swans. How so? For when I consider the matter, either alone or with Cebes, the argument does certainly appear to me, Socrates, to be not sufficient. PHAEDO: Of these and other colours the earth is made up, and they are more in number and fairer than the eye of man has ever seen; the very hollows (of which I was speaking) filled with air and water have a colour of their own, and are seen like light gleaming amid the diversity of the other colours, so that the whole presents a single and continuous appearance of variety in unity. But when returning into herself she reflects, then she passes into the other world, the region of purity, and eternity, and immortality, and unchangeableness, which are her kindred, and with them she ever lives, when she is by herself and is not let or hindered; then she ceases from her erring ways, and being in communion with the unchanging is unchanging. And this would be conclusive, if there were any real evidence that the living are only born from the dead; but if this is not so, then other arguments will have to be adduced. That is also true. and which to the mortal? DIRECT DOWNLOAD! But tell me, Cebes, said Simmias, interposing, what arguments are urged in favour of this doctrine of recollection. So much is clear—that when we perceive something, either by the help of sight, or hearing, or some other sense, from that perception we are able to obtain a notion of some other thing like or unlike which is associated with it but has been forgotten. Say so, yes, replied Simmias, and swear to it, with all the confidence in life. Phaedo Plato After an interval of some months or years, and at Phlius, a town of Peloponnesus, the tale of the last hours of Socrates is narrated to Echecrates and other Phliasians by Phaedo … Yes, an equal harmony. Wherefore, Simmias, seeing all these things, what ought not we to do that we may obtain virtue and wisdom in this life? Precisely. I should say, clearly not, Socrates. Advanced full-text … And still less is this our world to be compared with the other. You shall hear, for I was close to him on his right hand, seated on a sort of stool, and he on a couch which was a good deal higher. And when some one breaks the lyre, or cuts and rends the strings, then he who takes this view would argue as you do, and on the same analogy, that the harmony survives and has not perished—you cannot imagine, he would say, that the lyre without the strings, and the broken strings themselves which are mortal remain, and yet that the harmony, which is of heavenly and immortal nature and kindred, has perished—perished before the mortal. Yes; I should imagine so, said Cebes. and our desire is of the truth. What did he say in his last hours? And is not all true virtue the companion of wisdom, no matter what fears or pleasures or other similar goods or evils may or may not attend her? Yet surely of two souls, one is said to have intelligence and virtue, and to be good, and the other to have folly and vice, and to be an evil soul: and this is said truly? Then not only do opposite ideas repel the advance of one another, but also there are other natures which repel the approach of opposites. PHAEDO: And if we acquired this knowledge before we were born, and were born having the use of it, then we also knew before we were born and at the instant of birth not only the equal or the greater or the less, but all other ideas; for we are not speaking only of equality, but of beauty, goodness, justice, holiness, and of all which we stamp with the name of essence in the dialectical process, both when we ask and when we answer questions. Then may we not say, Simmias, that if, as we are always repeating, there is an absolute beauty, and goodness, and an absolute essence of all things; and if to this, which is now discovered to have existed in our former state, we refer all our sensations, and with this compare them, finding these ideas to be pre-existent and our inborn possession—then our souls must have had a prior existence, but if not, there would be no force in the argument? Simmias agreed, and added that he himself could hardly imagine the possibility of his ever thinking differently. That is true. Very good, Socrates, said Simmias; then I will tell you my difficulty, and Cebes will tell you his. For the truth is, that the weaver aforesaid, having woven and worn many such coats, outlived several of them, and was outlived by the last; but a man is not therefore proved to be slighter and weaker than a coat. As I was saying, the ship was crowned on the day before the trial, and this was the reason why Socrates lay in prison and was not put to death until long after he was condemned. Yes, I quite agree, said Cebes. Cebes added: Your favorite doctrine, Socrates, that knowledge is simply recollection, if true, also necessarily implies a previous time in which we have learned that which we now recollect. An XML version of this text is available for download, with the additional restriction that you offer Perseus … Do you not agree? The main characters of this classics, non fiction story are , . Shall we exclude the opposite process? Certainly. Now the hour of sunset was near, for a good deal of time had passed while he was within. Yes. Free kindle book and epub digitized and proofread by Project Gutenberg. Apology of Socrates Crito, Phaedo - Full View | HathiTrust Digital Library | HathiTrust Digital Library Skip to page content Skip to text only view of this item Now these rivers are many, and mighty, and diverse, and there are four principal ones, of which the greatest and outermost is that called Oceanus, which flows round the earth in a circle; and in the opposite direction flows Acheron, which passes under the earth through desert places into the Acherusian lake: this is the lake to the shores of which the souls of the many go when they are dead, and after waiting an appointed time, which is to some a longer and to some a shorter time, they are sent back to be born again as animals. Socrates replied: And have you, Cebes and Simmias, who are the disciples of Philolaus, never heard him speak of this? Impossible, replied Cebes. Indeed, I should, said Cebes, laughing. Certainly, replied Simmias. Those too who have been pre-eminent for holiness of life are released from this earthly prison, and go to their pure home which is above, and dwell in the purer earth; and of these, such as have duly purified themselves with philosophy live henceforth altogether without the body, in mansions fairer still which may not be described, and of which the time would fail me to tell.          Imbodies, and imbrutes, till she quite lose, What do you mean, Socrates? But if the knowledge which we acquired before birth was lost by us at birth, and if afterwards by the use of the senses we recovered what we previously knew, will not the process which we call learning be a recovering of the knowledge which is natural to us, and may not this be rightly termed recollection? A man of sense ought not to say, nor will I be very confident, that the description which I have given of the soul and her mansions is exactly true. Yet the exchange of one fear or pleasure or pain for another fear or pleasure or pain, and of the greater for the less, as if they were coins, is not the exchange of virtue. And what we mean by ‘seen’ and ‘not seen’ is that which is or is not visible to the eye of man? (Compare Meno.) The Republic by Plato, part of the Internet Classics Archive Commentary: Several comments have been posted about Phaedo. True. Several minor variants of Jowett’s translation may also be found on the Internet. Socrates paused awhile, and seemed to be absorbed in reflection. Crito, I owe a cock to Asclepius; will you remember to pay the debt. I reckon, said Socrates, that no one who heard me now, not even if he were one of my old enemies, the Comic poets, could accuse me of idle talking about matters in which I have no concern:—If you please, then, we will proceed with the inquiry. PHAEDO: Undoubtedly, Socrates. And certainly, added Simmias, the objection which he is now making does appear to me to have some force. Please to tell me then, Cebes, he said, what was the difficulty which troubled you? PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE: The reason is, that they are pure, and not, like our precious stones, infected or corroded by the corrupt briny elements which coagulate among us, and which breed foulness and disease both in earth and stones, as well as in animals and plants. Indeed, I do not. Tell me, then, what is that of which the inherence will render the body alive? Phædo or Phaedo (/ ˈ f iː d oʊ /; Greek: Φαίδων, Phaidōn, Greek pronunciation: [pʰaídɔːn]), also known to ancient readers as On The Soul, is one of the best-known dialogues of Plato's middle period, along with the Republic and the Symposium.          The soul grows clotted by contagion, Are they equals in the same sense in which absolute equality is equal? It is the ship in which, according to Athenian tradition, Theseus went to Crete when he took with him the fourteen youths, and was the saviour of them and of himself. True. May I, or not? There is surely a strange confusion of causes and conditions in all this. Yes, said Cebes; with such natures, beyond question. 1. For he will have a firm conviction that there and there only, he can find wisdom in her purity. But to say that I do as I do because of them, and that this is the way in which mind acts, and not from the choice of the best, is a very careless and idle mode of speaking. The Phaedo is one of Plato’s middle period dialogues and, as such, reveals much of Plato’s own philosophy. True. The search, replied Cebes, shall certainly be made. I think, Socrates, that, in the opinion of every one who follows the argument, the soul will be infinitely more like the unchangeable—even the most stupid person will not deny that. And there is a swinging or see-saw in the interior of the earth which moves all this up and down, and is due to the following cause:—There is a chasm which is the vastest of them all, and pierces right through the whole earth; this is that chasm which Homer describes in the words,— And is this always the case?          The divine property of her first being. Me already, as the tragic poet would say, the voice of fate calls. That the wisest of men should be willing to leave a service in which they are ruled by the gods who are the best of rulers, is not reasonable; for surely no wise man thinks that when set at liberty he can take better care of himself than the gods take of him. Full text of Plato's PHAEDO translated in English. Then the inference is that our souls exist in the world below? To that we are quite agreed, he replied. or perhaps nothing of the kind—but the brain may be the originating power of the perceptions of hearing and sight and smell, and memory and opinion may come from them, and science may be based on memory and opinion when they have attained fixity. Are not these, Simmias and Cebes, the points which we have to consider? In any way that you like; but you must get hold of me, and take care that I do not run away from you. And such is exactly our case: for we are dwelling in a hollow of the earth, and fancy that we are on the surface; and the air we call the heaven, in which we imagine that the stars move. And therefore has neither more nor less of discord, nor yet of harmony? Yes, that is very likely, Cebes; and these must be the souls, not of the good, but of the evil, which are compelled to wander about such places in payment of the penalty of their former evil way of life; and they continue to wander until through the craving after the corporeal which never leaves them, they are imprisoned finally in another body. Simmias, if I remember rightly, has fears and misgivings whether the soul, although a fairer and diviner thing than the body, being as she is in the form of harmony, may not perish first. That, said Simmias, will be enough. For what can be the meaning of a truly wise man wanting to fly away and lightly leave a master who is better than himself? Did he appear to share the unpleasant feeling which you mention? And now I must begin again and find another argument which will assure me that when the man is dead the soul survives. There is temperance again, which even by the vulgar is supposed to consist in the control and regulation of the passions, and in the sense of superiority to them—is not temperance a virtue belonging to those only who despise the body, and who pass their lives in philosophy? Which might be like, or might be unlike them? Not seen. 0 (0 Reviews) ... You can also read the full text online using our ereader. And how can such a notion of the soul as this agree with the other? Simmias said: I must confess, Socrates, that doubts did arise in our minds, and each of us was urging and inciting the other to put the question which we wanted to have answered and which neither of us liked to ask, fearing that our importunity might be troublesome under present at such a time. 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